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Jalen Rose: “I Hated Duke. I Felt Like They Only Recruited Black Players That Were Uncle Toms.”


ESPN’s Jalen Rose appeared on First Take this morning to discuss 30 for 30′s Fab Five documentary. During the segment, ESPN producers showed a very interesting clip from the film, wherein Rose said, “For me, Duke was personal. I hated Duke. And I hated everything I felt Duke stood for. Schools like Duke didn’t recruit players like me. I felt like they only recruited black players that were Uncle Toms.”

Before anyone jumps down his throat, however, be sure to listen to everything that he said, including what he said after the clip was shown.

Rose’s comments will be sure to get some people buzzing (and, to some degree, they already have: CBS Sports’ Mike Freeman called Rose’s comments “wrongheaded”), especially the “Uncle Tom” comment, since it appears to be a blanket statement about all of Duke’s black players.

But, keep in mind, this is what Rose thought as an 18-year-old kid, coming out of inner-city Detroit. Later, he clarified his current position on the Blue Devils.

“Well, certain schools recruit a typical kind of player whether the world admits it or not. And Duke is one of those schools,” he said. “They recruit black players from polished families, accomplished families. And that’s fine. That’s okay. But when you’re an inner-city kid playing in a public school league, you know that certain schools aren’t going to recruit you. That’s one. And I’m okay with it. That’s how I felt as an 18-year-old kid.”

Watch video of Rose’s comments on Duke here, courtesy of ESPN.


  • Guest

    It’s understandable that Jalen felt the way he did. With the way he described things, I’d be suspicious myself were I in his positon. But dont’ think for a minute Duke favored any White players who play, let’s say… lacrosse.

  • JalenRoseIsIgnorant

    you are ignorant and Jalen Rose was and still is extremely ignorant. Wait, it’s okay for me to say that because it’s just how I felt 18 seconds ago. Duke has recruited plenty of children from underprivileged families such as Sean Dockery and Chris Carrawell, not to mention a litany of others. Please do some research before you shoot of at the mouth which such broad statements. You shouldn’t just blather on without the facts, just because someone puts a microphone on you. ESPN should hire a better quality of analyst — not one from polished or accomplished families — but one with a half a brain.

  • Anonymous

    My son, who is mixed, LOVED/LOVES Duke… Of course, we are a polished, accomplished family of royal blood and indefinite sources of money and fame. Joking. About the second sentence. Truthfully, his was a wonderful experience, academically and socially.

  • Guest

    Jalen Rose’s comments are just plain ignorant. Duke recruited Chris Webber heavily, Jalen are you calling your teamate an Uncle Tom? Maybe you should have spent your time back then trying to become a better player, then maybe you wouldn’t have got your ass kicked everytime you played Duke.

  • Marykateconstruction

    Let me put an end to this discussion, is Jalen Rose saying that Duke only recruits black players such as William Avery who came from a polished family or well to do family – WHEN THE TRUTH IS HE LIVED ON A DIRT ROAD AND ROAD A BIKE TO SCHOOL UNTIL HIS SOPHOMORE YEAR IN HIGH SCHOOL – No, Jalen your grasping at straws !! For everyone who reads this article, believe me when I say everyone had a opportunity to be recruited. Point on case, when LSU (sHAQ) came to Duke, there were several recruits invited to Coach K’S house – How do I know cause I was there and asked Coach K, who that tall black kid was – GUESS WHO – YEP, CHRIS WEBBER !!!! People don’t know but he wanted to go to Duke if Coach K would promise he would start – Coach K at that time had never promised a kid he would start, he told him he would play quite a bit but starting positions were earned- VER BATEM – out of oach K’s mouth. Steve Fisher promised him he would start plus I’m sure a few other reasons, but Jalen Rose I’m sorry thats a really racist position you took, oh by the way Elton Brand did he come from a polished family ?

  • Guest

    He’s just angry because he never beat Duke. Duke recruits all types of kids. Sean Battier, Grant Hill – wealthy, accomplished, privileged. Will Avery, Elton Brand, Chris Duhon – not so much. Jalen is a punk.

  • Jrose

    yes,that is how i felt at 18 but if you are naming a few select players…you are making my point thx..Jalen

  • Bill

    I think Jalen is partially correct, Coach K doesn’t recruit idiots. He only goes for kids who have some level of intelligence and social awareness.

  • Mphsrick43

    Why is this idiot even getting any press coverage?

  • rob

    guys you fighting a losing battle the kid was 18 at the time and where he came from is what most poor kids thought as well. black or white i bet there’s white kids that think the same, but don’t get the press that jalen does b/c he’s on tv

  • JalenRoseIsIgnorant

    Jrose, why don’t you actually read (if they even bothered to teach you how at UM) the comments. A few players were listed because unlike Jalen Rose, who has plenty of time on his hands since he’s clearly not doing any research, we don’t have time to list every single player recruited that doesn’t conform to your prejudiced stereotype — in other words — too many to list.

    And at no point, did Jalen Rose ever clarify that this is not his current belief regarding Duke University. I didn’t like broccoli when I was a kid; guess what? I still don’t like it. If at any point he stated he had changed his outlook that would have been more palatable versus “that’s how I felt as an 18-year-old”. The second paragraph above does not read as retractory in the least regarding his teenage misconceptions.

    This Rose stinks.

  • Love Motown

    But Chris webber went to Detroit Country Day a very afluent private school. Not an inner city school with poor kids trying to make it to school without being shot or raped I worked in Detroit and you would feel differently if you could see it.

  • tigger662

    Didn’t Rush get booted from sports tv & not allowed to own part of a team because he thought the media was trying to make a darling out of a mediocre quarterback simply because he was black? How is this different?

  • Anonymous

    what liberal , racism with impunity crapola, he was an ignorant 18 year old racist,
    Hey Jalen,,, what courses and GPA and ACT scores did you get ?
    Hey Jalen,,, what are the odds you never read Uncle Tom’s Cabin and have no clue as to the character,,,

    What are the odds you have never read an entire book , period

  • Anonymous

    I stole this.

    Jalen Rose , then , thinks Barack Obama is an Uncle Tom President

  • jatotown

    Jalen is uninformed, not ignorant. There have been few Uncle Toms (i.e.,Blacks who don’t stick up for themselves as Blacks) who were basketball players or otherwise at Duke. Black and white students at Duke (and UNC CH) were important factors in the non violent civil rights movement of the 1960′s. There were so many students participating, and being arrested for participating that the local jails became overcrowded.

    In 1944, the Duke medical school basketball team secretly played NC A&T (first inter-racial basketball game in the South)

    http://www.dukemagazine.duke.edu/alumni/dm6/secret_txt.html

    In 1951, Duke’s basketball team played an integrated Temple squad in Durham. The first basketball game between a southern team and an integrated team where the Black players were allowed to actually play.

    http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&ATCLID=205102054&DB_OEM_ID=4200

  • LibsAreCommies

    One wonders if Dan Fogardy would defend this guy were he white and made such a statement.
    Oh, and Charles Barkley is another black racist that should be fired and would be were he white and spouted the racist things he does regularly.
    The despicable Liberal-enabled Racial Double Standard continues to divide our society…

  • Anonymous

    Wait…so correct me if Im wrong. “Uncle Tom” means black students who value education, have 2 parent intact households..whose parents also value education and speak eloquently. Thats awful!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1471630141 Michael Adam

    Silly Jalen….Duke recruits Winners.

    What did you win at Michigan?

    Oh thats right….NCAA sanctions.

  • Madink3

    Most of the anti-Rose posters here are purposely ignorant w/ racial agendas of their own.
    They leave out Rose’s comment that those were his thoughts when he was 18! They ignore that because it doesn’t suit their purpose.

    These people are most probably ones who will advance the theory that slavery paid no part in the Civil War and that Jefferson Davis was a misunderstood patriot.

    There’s nothing “liberal” about the divide between inner-city Black kids who go to substandard public schools and those Blacks who attend private or surburban schools. Nothing “liberal” about those who must struggle just to survive in the inner-city schools and those who attend well-ordered, well-stocked
    schools and have access to all those extra paid ACT-preparation classes, etc.

    The very tone taken in these posts does nothing but prove that these posters have merely learned to disguise their bigotry by a use of language.

  • Anonymous

    of course it might have been that Duke recruits kids who plan to play four years AND GRADUATE!

  • Anonymous

    Kudos to the Xavier, Duke and others that retain the STUDENT-athlete requirement. When Brian Grant’s number was retired at Xavier he credited Sr Roae Ann, the academic advisor as his hero and the one whe deserved honor (her ‘number’ is of course retired and hanging in the rafters of the Cintas Center. Duke’s players, Xavier’s players hit the books and get an education.

  • Andthehorseyourodeinon

    Their stupid comments only reinforces dukes decision to not making them an offer and on getting players who are not only physically talented but intelligent as well.

  • Andthehorseyourodeinon

    Yada yada yada here’s a quarter call someone who cares.

  • alex

    have a good day.

  • Eingriff

    Who you callin’ Uncle Tom, Oreo?

  • Mcstarznstripes1

    Wow,thanks JR. You just showed more proof that liberals do not love all black people. If you are black and conservative…. if you are black and don’t accept the Democrat philosophy that the government owes you a living….. if you are black and don’t want to be confined to the ghettos….. YOU ARE AN UNCLE TOM.

  • Anonymous

    Duke recruits players that have academic potential.
    Black or White or Other, the Duke brand is an elite one.

  • Anonymous

    Tell me more about the Tea Parties outreach program to needy black athletes, please.

  • Anonymous

    what the hell does a politics have to do with this

  • Anonymous

    And he never said Duke or coach K owed him anything , when i was a kid i though all white people were rich we were both wrong. Although Jalen is and you probally not.

  • Psoul21

    Clearly reading all these comments on anti-Jalen proves 3 things: 1) that most of you don’t pay attention to detail. 2) you read/hear what you want to read/hear and filter out everything else. 3) Many of you didn’t pass Language Arts classes.

    Clearly this were his feelings when he was 18 going to college. Second read the quote carefully: he said “I hated (past tense) Duke” “I felt (past tense) like they only recruited black players that were Uncle Toms.”

  • Horrorshow

    Last time i checked Jalen Rose isn’t that stupid. He is a very intelligent commentator with a high basketball IQ. Just because he was raised in inner-city Detroit unlike the rest of you doesn’t make him ignorant for thinking bad about duke when he was EIGHTEEN! Dam give the guy a break im white but if i grew up in the ghetto and duke was winning a championship with thier clean cut kids and wealthy backgrounds i think i would have some animosity towards them as well….

  • Anonymous

    It’s spelled “you’re,” you idiotic dip shit.

    As for his statement, there’s no one on this planet that hasn’t said something ignorant when they were only 18 years old.

  • Anonymous

    So it’s his fault or the fault of any other person if they’re born into a household that doesn’t have 2 parents? Think before typing.

  • Anonymous

    All of this x 10000. The moment people read his statement, a lot of these idiots completely ignored the following: “Before anyone jumps down his throat, however, be sure to listen to everything that he said, including what he said after the clip was shown.”

    Find me a person who hasn’t said something ignorant when they were 18 and I will find you a leprechaun with a pot of gold.

    My take is this: *reads the statement* Eeesh, kinda harsh. *finds out he was 18 when he said it” Oh … yea, well, shit happens.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/K2L23GOKYJXJUP62FDK4GOCQE4 TrueChaos

    Whether you like it or not, his opinion is not ignorant. Please explain how you can decide what he knew as a recruited college player? How are you able to support anything any different than what he is saying? If you have proof, lay it on table for everyone to see. If you are just spouting off, then say I have no clue, but don’t agree with his opinion.

  • Anonymous

    I didnt say it was anyones fault….I think tagging people with “Uncle Tom” is ignorant.

  • Big Ken

    I absolutely LOVE the fact that Jalen Rose is so pissed thast Duke did not recruit him – and then kicked his ass.

  • Jeff

    Jalen rose wasnt smart enough to get into duke they graduate thier players, and if a white man said things like that they would be fired

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H265KRBD6BUF74GFM7DDQ5PIFU Juri K.

    well, Duke is also an academically good school, even if it is in North Carolina (the South). I’m sure they’ve got all kinds of racial problems due to the location alone, but every basketball program probably looks for a certain type of player who will fit in with its particular system and philosophy. Michigan was ideal for those guys, but the Duke players probably wouldn’t have fared so well there, just as the Fab 5 probably wouldn’t have done so well in Duke’s program with their style of play.

    Michigan is also one hell of an academic school, so nothing shabby about that at all. Who cares in the end? These guys were “fabulous” basketball players, so it really shouldn’t matter.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_H265KRBD6BUF74GFM7DDQ5PIFU Juri K.

    Who’s smart enough? Are you smart enough just because you get a perfect score on some shitty standardized admissions test? That doesn’t mean a damn thing, even if you bring a perfect 4.0 gpa alone to boot- i know plenty of SAT/ACT heroes who were stellar high school students, and who also ended up flunking right out of college a year or two later. College admissions standards are nothing but a bunch of hype and shenanigans.

  • Anonymous

    This is proof that using generalizations about groups of people comes with the possibility of getting a severe case of foot in the mouth disease. What Rose said was without a factual basis. It is just his opinion. Disagree with that opinion or support it but base your opinion on fact.

    The Duke basketball program has been an elite (not elitist) program for decades. Their young men usually graduate, some go on with their basketball careers and most have successful lives in other pursuits. I certainly would have had felt good if either of my two sons had possessed the grades and inner strength to attend Duke. It would have been an honor for them to have degrees from that great university.

    It is unfortunate that Jalen Rose has accused that great school with racist behavior without any fcts to back up his opinion. That is racist in its own right. But listening to all the fury this mindless, unsupported opinion is creating reminds me of a truism from Thomas Jefferson more than 200 years ago:

    “Bodily decay is gloomy in prospect, but of all human contemplations the most abhorrent is body without mind.”

  • stingaree57

    Sounds more like a case of envy and then animosity.

  • John B

    I feel sorry for Rose and people who buy in on such an ignorant comment. Duke is considered the Ivy League school of the South. To get accepted one must have good grades, high SAT’s, and be involved in other social/community activities. Athletes selected for athletic scholarships are a cut above in many ways to include character issues. Chock K is a product of West Point Military Academy. His calling card is discipline, self-discipline, academic excellence, etc. as well as basketball skills. Coach K would love a blue chip ghetto kid if he could find one who met those criteria. It is not about the NBA but about being an educated man in today’s society who can do more than just play sports.
    Add to the mix, the criticizing and making fun of black students from the hood that do well in school by stating that they are acting white. How sick is that! Reminds me of the crab effect, keeping and pulling people down in one’s own community due to ignorance and jealousy.

  • BBall in NC

    Duke’s FB program recruits good students. Their BBall recruiting is not restricted to good students. Inner city black students might feel a bit out of place at Duke. K may recruit for “good cultural fits”, but he does not recruit better students than any other BBall team.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DAFWMFJ5JOUD2D4H5AEJDWYHFA Dean

    J-Rose, c’mon man… really? Do your homework kid before you start spouting off…Duke recruits kids that the SCHOOL feels that he will be there for their full tenure at the University and to get their degree… the kids they stay away from are the ones they perceive that they only want to use college as a 1 or 2 year springboard to the NBA, and not for what they are actually there for… SCHOOL! Hence the reason that Duke has been so successful, because of their commitment of players to stay until they graduate…. it makes no difference of race….

  • Pawie

    well said, madink

  • http://twitter.com/KevinKathrotia Kevin Kathrotia

    lol, the dook student-athlete myth finally shows up.

  • http://twitter.com/KevinKathrotia Kevin Kathrotia

    Elton Brand and Will Avery say hello

  • http://twitter.com/KevinKathrotia Kevin Kathrotia

    North Carolina runs circles around 75% of states in this country. Let go of old misconceptions about “The South”

  • Jbranaugh

    If Jalen said it TODAY he might be fired…but how can you hold it against him when he said this as a kid…20 years ago? I’m the same age as Jalen and I remember the fab 5 as well as the Duke teams of that time. A lot of us inner city black kids were not Duke fans. They didn’t recruit players from our areas. Inner City kids loved the Fab 5. They represented us…from the black shoes and bald heads to the baggy shorts.

  • Sean O

    If you’ve ever heard Jalen Rose speak then you know he was an idiot long before there was any mention of his comments when he was younger. The bigger question is why are we even talking about this team that never won anything. Its so typical of the joke ESPN has become, they’re so much more about hype and style then about winning. Turn on sportscenter and hear (if you can understand them, sorry but i need english sub titles when stuart scott speaks) 5 minutes on how great a Blake Griffin dunk was and then “oh and the Clippers lost by 20.” Ridiculous, self-proclaimed kings and fab fives with no rings or banners.

  • Bev

    More rascist statements from the protected class, think he will lose his job over this?

  • Nat Turner

    Most of you cats don’t even know what Jalen meant when talked about “Uncle Toms”. Most of you don’t even know the definition of the word “racist”. Proof positive that the majority of y’all might root for Duke’s b-ball team, but clearly have never set foot on the campus as a student. To the vast majority of black folks, wealthy blacks that never utter a word in defense of black people or act like they don’t care about the plight of poor blacks in the “inner cities” and the ghettos are sell outs. TOMS.

    Jalen said what the majority of black folks really feel about Duke as I have never met a black Duke fan. Black Tar Heel fans? Check. Black Wolfpack fans? Check. Black Duke fans? Uh, no.

  • Donaldquick11

    this is why I miss the “HOWARD COSELL” sports broadcaster era that era was bi- partison sports reporting ,the sports broadcaster today cant separate their emotions when reporting on a college or professional team that may had been a rival with when they competed, in other words be professional and unbias,but than again these days professional sports on all levels are corrupt from officiating to the commish! and political correctness are the new rules of ethical standards for example if you dont approve as a sports broadcaster of the GAY lifestyle and you publicly admit this even if your just having a beer on your private time in some obscure BAR you get fired and your right to freely express yourself is censored,…has anyone seen Tim Hardaway lately and why didnt his BROS! have his back?

  • Sunnstarrr

    First off there’s NOTHING RACIST about what he said…all he said was that he felt duke recruited oreo’s and uncle tom’s…He used the word uncle tom but oreo is probably the more operative term…

    Jalen didn’t accuse Duke of Being racist…recruiting oreo acting dudes is not racist…No more than Cincinnati recruiting thugs for their whole squad…

    Some people just don’t know how to process race in a complex form and go from zero to 80 in regards to race…this is the same thing when Lebron said that race played a factor…SMH..

  • Sunnstarrr

    Michigan is just as good as a school as Duke if Not better…Jalen made a point that even well educated black people have made…

    It’s funny how so many white people think Jalen’s comment is “ignorant” when they themselves have no clue or willingly fail to see race and it’s complexity…Jalen is basically saying what 80% of Blacks felt or are STILL feeling at the present time…

    Also…not that it’s a bad thing that Duke goes after well to do and unassuming black kids but its a very valid observation and the reason why a majority of blacks root against duke today..Lol.

    Elephant in the room

  • Tippercanoe

    Well nice to meet you. Black Duke Fan here. Not wealthy. Can point you to plenty more. Get a grip with the ignorance.

  • Jackleanjr

    What the heck is a ” Liberal-enabled Racial Double Standard?” And what kind of ‘crazy old white guy / Tea Party paranoid’ stupifying energy drink have you been drinking?

  • Langstrom

    Poor little Jalen Rose didn’t have the “ups” to get into Duke. And now his bitterness have become tiresome…

  • Nat Turner

    A black Duke fan? Get the hell outta here. Ain’t never seen it and given your funky screen name, you’re a white cat. “Tippercanoe”? No brother worth his salt would ever use the words “tipper” or “canoe” to tag himself–EVER. If you are a black cat–damn is all I can say. Step your game up, nerd. Black Duke fans–that’s some “Comedy Central” material right there..

  • Momenteam

    Even if JalenRose’ stereotyping Duke was true, who cares? It’s an elite school and one would think that elite schools should not exist. It’s like disparaging kids that get good grades and dumbing down everybody because one or a few diss acheivement because it makes other uncomfortable about shortcomings. There are whole cultures that suck because of this type of attitude, but they like to leech of others who excel. Loser attitude, but shoot, it like he feels man. We know how holy and important someone’s feelings are when they’re losers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=515249617 Edward Norton

    I didn’t need to read the entire comment, the first couple paragraphs were enough to tell me the guy was just expressing his opinion. People tend to be so over-reactive at “perceived” racism these days, it’s now like the boy who cried wolf. So he said “Uncle Tom”- we all know what it means, let’s get over it and move on. We have real problems in the world these days and don’t need to create problems that don’t exist out of someone’s opinions or words.

  • Anonymous

    I respect your right to express your opinion. I do not agree with your position though. I do not think Mr. Rose has any facts to back up his stated opinion either. But a difference of opinion is why there are at least two horses in a horse race. Take care.

  • FraudFive

    “dipshit” is one word, you underachieving twat muscle.

  • Edmartin

    Jalen, you never paid back my “loans”.

  • K3304

    why would your son be “mixed” ?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ROWZT3I6MOLZIBJ225AUCJGCQI ic0n29

    Oreo, Uncle Tom, neither of those are good words to use. I agree with you in that his comments about Duke aren’t accusations of racism. They are more about classism.

  • KrysBrown89

    You act as if Black Duke fans are mythical beasts! I’m a Duke fan (that happens to be Black) as well and I live in Raleigh. If you’ve never met a Black Duke fan then maybe you should broaden your horizons because I know plenty of them. And are/were you a student or somehow involved in every organization, specifically sports, that you support? I guess I had to have been a cheerleader or my Dad play for the Steelers in order to cheer for them according to your logic. By the way is my SN ethnic enough for you? I must somehow be connected to domestic violence since you’ll probably relate it to Chris Brown.

  • Rick Bethea

    I’m a black person that is college educated; I was raised approx. 2 hours from Duke and UNC. I must say that I generally agree with some of Jalen’s comments. Is everything that Jalen stated correct. Absolutely not! But, for my opinion, I do believe that the majority of blacks and a large percentage of whites believe the same thing. It’s open conversation in the heart of Carolina all the time. Most of the Duke fans say that coach K will lose before he recruits a dumb ass that doesn’t fit the mold that he likes. Most say that this is also the reason that the football team can’t win consistently. I’m sure some of the Duke players would have the same opinion. I would say that it’s vaguely similar to Notre Dame in football. Jalen’s opinion is exactly what he stated. Opinions do not make people ignorant! A lot of people have a different perspective on life at 45 than they do at 18. I think the situation at Indiana under Knight is also similar; go figure, K played under Knight at Army. When Duke plays and when Indiana played under Knight the generally had more white athletes on the floor that black. Do I care? Hell no! But, anyone who watches college basketball in detail can authenticate my statement. I don’t believe that recruiting quality student athletes is a bad thing. I believe that kids go to school to get an education first and foremost. If he or she has the skills to be a college athlete, that’s just icing on the cake.
    I have some friends that are black and they like Duke. Most openly say that coach K takes smart white and smart black players and he beats the hell out of athletic dumb black players. I must admit that most of the Carolina teams are more athletic than the Duke teams. But generally Duke plays hard and smart even if they lose.
    I remember Al Mc Guire stated when Duke was playing in the NCAA tournament; that WOJO was playing his heart out. But, he said that he would take talent over heart everytime. Basically, even though WOJO was playing as hard as he possibly could he was not athletic enough to guard the point guards from the other team. He also stated during the game that if a player had grass in his front yard or backyard that he wouldn’t recruit the player!

    The above mentioned statement is just my opinion.

    Rick Bethea

  • Jeffsk66

    people go to duke for an education. what is jalen roses degree in or wait Idont think he has won because he only went to school to get to the nba, if rose was white he would be fired as a racist shows how society has different standards for different races thats whats wrong with this country nobody is held to the same standards

  • CJ

    These comments just sum it all up. White people can say anything they want…if they’re called on it, just point the finger back. Then wait for blacks to speak honestly and lambaste. Please…it might not be the entire truth, but there is truth in his statement, especially since Uncle Tom is nothing more than an opinion anyway. Guys like Shane Battier FAR FAR FAR outnumber the William Avery’s at Duke, so save it with the ‘equal opportunity’ b/s. I call Duke the “Winklevosses” because they have a sense of entitlement from their rat-faced coach to their players who seem to get whistles no other team in America gets. Period.

    And no, Rose wouldn’t be fired if he was white because white people don’t go around calling blacks Uncle Tom’s Jeff. So get off your faux soapbox and actual try to understand the context of what was said.

  • bill

    jalens racism aside and espn promoting this mediocre team, does anyone realize that these five playing together only won 24 games total. thats a good season for any of the big 4 blue teams. uk duke nc kansas

  • PC33KING

    Overall, I really enjoyed the documentary. As far as Jalen’s comment, it was real. I am a life-long Duke fan. However, I realize that Duke carries a certain reputation. There is this perception that Duke only recruits certain types of players, and they do. I respect that Jalen felt that way (maybe even still does…who cares), but the point is that Duke recruits a certain type of PERSON. Most of the players that fit the mold at Duke are from more affluent families, but we are talking about people. Players are people and not ALL of them that do fit the Duke mold come FROM the same types of places or environments. I teach in an inner-city high school in the south about 6 hours from Duke. There are some kids who fit the stereotype of being “from the hood” who are not. While there are others who fit in with the regular, run-of-the-mill middle class kids who actually are from the hood. It’s all about the type of person the players are; not where they come from. The Fab Five had a little too much “personality” to be Dukies. That doesn’t make them bad people and that doesn’t make Duke players bad people. They’re just different. Jalen isn’t wrong. He isn’t a liar. In fact, I appreciate him telling the truth. Would he use the same terminology to describe the type of people he was saying the Duke’s black players were/are if he had the opportunity to express his opinion today? Hopefully not, but he just used a cultural term to give his opinion.

  • Pack

    Roses comments are not ignorant at all. They are flat out true. Duke only recruits white kids and light skined black kids who are academicly or come from well polished fams. I heard dickie V disagreeing torwards Roses comments and naming only 2 examples (Corey Maggette and Avery). webber was a private school a kid and to make my point Maggete is a LIGHT SKINNED black kid. Thats probably not the ultimate recruting criteria Coack K looks as but there are soo many examples its hard to ignore it. Grant Hill, Maggete, Gerald Henderson, Shane Batteir, Carlos Boozer, Chris Duhon, Dehanty Jones, Sheldon Williams. I hate DUKE strongly and probably my most hated team in all ofsports but I like Coach K as a coach!! but u have to wonder if they target certain recruits that oppose the black atitude as Jalen Rose and the FAB 5 are or if they come from a more aggresive community. I also look at Dukes next door neihbor North Carolina as one of more liked teams in the country and there is no pattern in their recruting. No matter if its MJ and Vince Carter or if its Tyler Zeller or Hansborough. They still play an athletic intimidating style.

  • Irule19

    I see a bunch of people on here who probably would’ve wrote alot of those racist letters about the fab5 back then. The man said he what he “thought” about Christain Lattnner and even spoke to the fact that he was proven wrong when he wrong when he stepped on the court. As far as Grant Hill he spoke when he felt about him at the time. Which he wasn’t alone. Right or wrong he stated what he “thought” and “felt”. And maybe he still harbors some left over feelings. So what!!! I watched christian laettner step on another player in a game…yet he’s celebrated for “the Shot”…The fab5 say a few words and there the worst people waking…PLEASE!!! I respect the hell out of Grant Hill but at the time I didn’t like him and wrapped him in what I felt Duke represented at the time. White Privilege. I still hate duke as A fan, but can respect them and Coach K as one of the greatest coaches of all time. But I loved the Fab5 because of what they represented. They were the image of anti-establishment and anti-establishment isn’t always politically correct and won’t make you comfartable…And I really wish the world met somewhere in the middle of the Fab5 and Duke (even though I hate ‘em)…LOL!!!

  • Irule19

    @ PC33KING, great minds think alike…well said!

  • Master_provider

    I hate First Take. All they do is showcase ignorant white-haters like Jalen Rose, Rob Parker,and Jemele Hill who talk about how much they hate white people and how every successful black person is an Uncle Tom and that douche Jay Crawford just sits there and takes it because he’s afraid to stand up for himself. Just losers looking for anyone or anything to blame for their problems other than themselves. What if they had recruited you Jalen? Would you have gone there and let yourself be an Uncle Tom? Whatever the equivalent of an Uncle Tom for people with white guilt is, that’s what Jay Crawford, Dana Jacobsen, and all those people on that show are.

  • Kadams252003

    Imagine if a white person had said this!!! or a white person from the south. Anyways, I now believe Jalen Rose is a jealous ignorant expeltive. Duke recruits players that have an education, or more of an education than people like Rose. That is it. Black kids that have proven themselves in the class

  • Aroq33

    by a more “aggressive black community” he means “we hate whitey’s and we’re proud of it.

  • Aroq69

    Duke has a right to recruit anyone they want. If they think maybe someone from a more stable environment will be less likely to get arrested for weed possesion and assault, they’re probably right. Duke is not racist. It’s easy for me to see who is. Any college will bring in players that work in their system. some systems use smart players, and some systems use “the others”. if an idiot player is getting d’s and f’s and getting thrown out of high school, then no, Duke is not interested. It’s a damn shame that a black player who gets good grades, stays out of trouble and gets drafted by Duke is called an “Uncle Tom” by black people who are jealous because they have already screwed up their lives.

  • Kjack015

    You do know those same NCAA sanctions came from the player who Duke recruited heavily right Chris Webber or did you forget that part lol

  • Kjack015

    Shit he said that. If you would listen he said ” I was jealous of Grant Hill” he grew knowing his father. Most kids in the inner-city don’t grow up knowing there dads so yeah they do envy those that do.

  • Ampgh

    yeah and who they lost out on because Duke wasnt going to so overtly break NCAA sanctions, smartass

  • Anonymous

    I know for a fact that Shane Battier didn’t come from a wealthy family. Yes, he was accomplished, but he received a scholarship to his private school. His family struggled. Thus, this is all to say that appearances aren’t everything. You never know the real deal about someone’s economic situation. Thus, Jalen Rose’s comments are based in stereotypes and not facts

  • Haffamill

    and tagging people as niggers arent ?

  • 21darryn

    Im a black Duke fan ignoramus……

  • Hafamill

    nonsense .. plenty of black people have had money to live in affluient areas and were not allowed to purchase because of race .. stop pretending that racism doesn’t exist in this country … smh

  • Haffamill

    the reason we’re talking about him is because he touched a sensitive nerve thats still very hard for white america to accept which is no matter how high you ride on your high horse about moral you wont have a seat at the table on judgement day .. america advocates pure evil .. always has .. always will .. atleast he gave a reason for why he felt the way he did .. more than col. jim crow can say

  • Southpaw

    As a black man ,who happened to be raised in the inner city of D.C. during the 80′s, when the drug game ran ramped..It drives me up a freaking wall to continue to here my kind label others….As a people we hate it when cops do it…When judges do it…Politicians….News…etc…It’s not where your from..but where your at…Blacks and whites would find a greater success if they stopped blaming others for their transgressions…..

  • Htaggart

    You’re kidding, right? Since he is simply expressing his “opinion”, whatever’s been said shouldn’t be open to scrutiny or criticism? Give me a break. This is an “opinion” that, by extension, stigmitizes blacks who have chosen to educate and better themselves and implies that they should somehow be dismissed as “Uncle Toms” and sellouts. This is precisely the attitude that puts so many black kids at risk in schools, setting up the impossible dilemma of choosing to try their best or to abandon school in an effort to maintain their “blackness” bona fides..

  • 89tequinn

    It is a shame that this conversation is even taking place. Mr. Rose, I did meet you when you were at Michigan and you were a cocky jock and you acted your age. You did not fit in at the Duke system, that is fine but don’t diminish others who did, “no matter their color”. I have listen to what comes out of your mouth and find it incredible sad. You received a quality education if you applied yourself while at the University of Michigan. Think about what comes out of your mouth, you represent the U of M speaking publicly as a athlete and alumnus. Get over it that you didn’t picked to be a Duke Blue Devil. You did get to play on a National Champion Basketball team where you went to school. No one discriminated against you.

  • Spelunker

    That’s not true, I went to school with Shane (at Country Day). While he may have received a scholarship, he also lived in Birmingham. Birmingham isn’t remotely middle class, it’s a wealthy suburb.

  • Tbbrockrb12

    SHUT THE HELL UP JALEN ROSE

    if duke recruited kids like you every game they would be academically ineligible. don’t hate because duke still wants pride in their school

  • Tbbrockrb12

    SHUT THE HELL UP JALEN ROSE

    if duke recruited kids like you every game they would be academically ineligible. don’t hate because duke still wants pride in their school

  • Spelunker

    You realize that the money came later, right? Did you even watch the documentary?

  • Spelunker

    You realize that the money came later, right? Did you even watch the documentary?

  • Spelunker

    You mean players like Elton Brand, Corey Maggette, and Will Avery?

  • scott

    Blacks even bitch and moan when people of their own race are more successful. They must be “uncle Toms” if they’re educated and speak proper english. Just another reason for reason for the race card to be thrown out there. News flash: Race card has been over played and is no longer effective.

  • tim simms

    Man! They sit there in their expensive suits, with their high-paying jobs and bitch about Uncle Toms?! Can you say hypocrite?
    The idea that for black people to own their blackness they have to be ghetto punks needs to go far away. Get over it guys.

  • Dile13

    It is hilarious that everyone is using players that went to Duke POST the Fab Five as examples of recruiting. You realize that he was talking about guys like Grant Hill or Thomas Hill. His thoughts were on Duke before and during the Fab Five, not Duke in the late 90′s and 2000s.

    As an inner city kid during the 80s and early 90s chances are you would’ve felt the same way. Would he feel the same way now? Who knows, but you’re jumping on his commentary incorrectly.

  • Anonymous

    Mixed? Mixed up? Mixed drink? Tom Mixed?

  • Anonymous

    I will never disrespect a university named after John Wayne. I do know from a make-believe source that a naked Coach K (Kowboy in his inner circle) rides a white stallion on campus late at night wearing a Jalen Rose mask and yelling loudly “lacrosse anyone?”

  • Anonymous

    I will never disrespect a university named after John Wayne. I do know from a make-believe source that a naked Coach K (Kowboy in his inner circle) rides a white stallion on campus late at night wearing a Jalen Rose mask and yelling loudly “lacrosse anyone?”

  • Keith

    Very good Michael. It’s been a long day & I needed a laugh! Every time one of the ‘Fab’ 5 opens his mouth he provides concrete evidence to validate everything Grant Hill (& you) said.

  • Keith

    Hey dumb ass, as several others have already pointed out — Rose never took the 3 seconds it would require to say “I don’t feel that way now”.

  • Keith

    John, that’s a very good example to use. In the Philippines it is referred to as a “crab mentality.” But unless someone has actually seen a bucket full of live crabs, they don’t always get the point.

  • Keith

    Congrats CJ, I think you just proved cosmology’s “membrane” theory of the Universe, because it’s clear that most of whatever gray matter you were born with has since “leaked” to a parallel dimension!

  • Ematkay

    mixed race, dummy

  • Go Blue

    Chris Webber went to a middle class private school. He wasn’t a poor inner city kid like Jalen. Watch the documentary before you comment on it dumbass.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AM7GT4D6F4R4C3VZKRHJAD5K3I African Warrior

    That’s just it moron.
    Jalen Rose is the one who made the statements without one shred of proof or fact.

    Why should anyone lend credence to an accused pedophilia like Jalen Rose. Just because his mother was a two dollar tramp is not grounds to cry the racist blues.

    See how easy it is to just say what ever you want, without a single shred of evidence?
    Duke didn’t set these lies into motion, Jalen Rose and King did, where is their proof? Guess what, they can’t produce any, because it doesn’t exist.

    Rose any King were not recruited by Duke because they’ve always been, second rate, worthless, Human Racist Gutter-Trash. But just to prove Jalen Rose and King to be the lying sack of S!!T that they have always been… chew on this.

    Journal of Blacks in Higher Education rates Duke #1 for African Americans in Nation
    “1. Duke University (Average Score: 90.36): Clearly one explanation for the strong performance of Duke in so many categories is the sincere commitment of President Nan Keohane to racial diversity.” “Duke’s strong improvement in black faculty levels may be attributed to an incentive plan which makes it highly advantageous for academic departments to engage black faculty.”
    [See Sidebar Editor]

    http://gos.sbc.edu/k/keohane1.html

    Speech Before The Panel On The Value
    Of Diversity In Higher Education,
    President’s Commission On Race
    by Nan Keohane
    President, Duke University

    African American student body percentages
    Michigan 4.8 % to 5.2% Total Minority 29%
    Duke 9.7 % to 10.0% Total Minority 42%
    A private school rank 4th in the nation overall vs. a Racist State Run School like Michigan if we use Racist Roses math @ Moronic Math. But the again Racist Bigots like Rose see Racism in everything but where it is the most prevalent, HIS MIRROR.

    I could fill a book with such facts, however, I don’t have the time to educate a bunch of bigoted imbecilic morons. Although out of respect for the campus I grew up on I will compile a full synopsis, seeing how the Uncle Toms will be stomping Michigan once again, if Tennessee doesn’t beat them to it.

    I’ll pull their old recruiting list to really ice their Bigot Cake over the weekend.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AM7GT4D6F4R4C3VZKRHJAD5K3I African Warrior

    That’s just it moron.
    Jalen Rose is the one who made the statements without one shred of proof or fact.

    Why should anyone lend credence to an accused pedophilia like Jalen Rose. Just because his mother was a two dollar tramp is not grounds to cry the racist blues.

    See how easy it is to just say what ever you want, without a single shred of evidence?
    Duke didn’t set these lies into motion, Jalen Rose and King did, where is their proof? Guess what, they can’t produce any, because it doesn’t exist.

    Rose any King were not recruited by Duke because they’ve always been, second rate, worthless, Human Racist Gutter-Trash. But just to prove Jalen Rose and King to be the lying sack of S!!T that they have always been… chew on this.

    Journal of Blacks in Higher Education rates Duke #1 for African Americans in Nation
    “1. Duke University (Average Score: 90.36): Clearly one explanation for the strong performance of Duke in so many categories is the sincere commitment of President Nan Keohane to racial diversity.” “Duke’s strong improvement in black faculty levels may be attributed to an incentive plan which makes it highly advantageous for academic departments to engage black faculty.”
    [See Sidebar Editor]

    http://gos.sbc.edu/k/keohane1.html

    Speech Before The Panel On The Value
    Of Diversity In Higher Education,
    President’s Commission On Race
    by Nan Keohane
    President, Duke University

    African American student body percentages
    Michigan 4.8 % to 5.2% Total Minority 29%
    Duke 9.7 % to 10.0% Total Minority 42%
    A private school rank 4th in the nation overall vs. a Racist State Run School like Michigan if we use Racist Roses math @ Moronic Math. But the again Racist Bigots like Rose see Racism in everything but where it is the most prevalent, HIS MIRROR.

    I could fill a book with such facts, however, I don’t have the time to educate a bunch of bigoted imbecilic morons. Although out of respect for the campus I grew up on I will compile a full synopsis, seeing how the Uncle Toms will be stomping Michigan once again, if Tennessee doesn’t beat them to it.

    I’ll pull their old recruiting list to really ice their Bigot Cake over the weekend.

  • Kkdte

    Duke is an academic school. If you have half a brain(at least) and game you might go there. But until
    there is affirmative action in college basketball Jalen should shut his face!

  • Jaquelynchan

    Hey Jalen…what about professional football teams that draft a certain type of running back….meaning black. Should EVERY white kid (and their white parents) hate the NFL because they know they’ll never get a shot to run the ball because of their skin color, or lack thereof?

  • Dneezy54

    Anybody who doesn’t see that Duke has not historically recruited top Black college ball players from the “hood” is a fool. I know Black people who go to Duke and its a conversation they have on their campus. So dont throw the baby out with the bath water. Jalen has a real point. Coach K would have never taken an Allen Iverson but he sure would have taken Kobe Bryant. He doenst want to deal with the issues that might come with a young kid from real poverty. Lets be real. It doesn’t make him a bad person. It is what it is. If I was Jalen I would have hated Duke too. A lot of the comments are from some hating live in your own world people. I wonder if half of you have ever been in the “hood”. I dont just mean driving by. So when you blast Jalen Rose do your knowledge. He has scholarships and a school he started. He puts his money where his mouth is.

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/XHXGHM5OMEHDIRMBYHMNDHMASU Gene

    If you want to get real, most Black professional atheletes these days ARE uncle toms. Back in the late ’60s and ’70s African-American atheletes were both politically and socially active (i.e. Muhammad Ali, Bill Russell, Jim Brown, John Carlos, etc…) All that changed after that. It became all about a dollar. I remember Michael Jordan once making the remark that, “republicans buy sneakers too.” These days, if you want a Black pro to make a political or social stand, you’d have to hold a gun to his head.

  • Mike

    OK,   racist ignorant statements made by a group of  racist ignorant 18 year olds (all made HATEFUL remarks) who were lucky to set a foot in a college can be excused. 
    OK. Escuse accepted.  But to be admitted and later reiterated by a 40 year old adults? That’s racist and ignorant for sure. But who had the last laugh? And who were the two-time SORE losers (complete with tears)? HOW MANY CHAMPIONSHIPS DID THE FABULOUS ONES WIN?AND HOW MANY DID THE “SOFTIE” CHRISTIAN LAETNER WIN? The prosecution rests.  GUILTY  !  CASE CLOSED.If crying and alibiing won championships,  then their banners made Kleenex would hang proudly in Michigan for all to see.   

  • Mike

    All I have to say is those “Uncle Toms” at Duke left their school with two national titles, all Jalen left his school with was probation. There is a reason Duke doesn’t recruit players like you.

  • Mike

    Oh yeah those “Uncle Toms” also left with a college degree, how about you Jalen?

  • MrGoodtrips

    So because Duke, a private university, doesn’t recruit thugs that don’t belong in a university or college atmosphere and doesn’t recruit one (or two) and done players as a rule as public universities do but recruits good people they are somehow bad? He hated everything Duke stood for (quality education, producing good citizens)? Rose is a clearly a racist who’s engaging in CYA because he does’t want to lose his gig at ESPN. It’s amazing how many make excuses for black racists, but if a white man had said something like this about a school there would be calls for his head.

  • Zach Watkins

    How does doing well in school, graduating from Duke, West Point, Naval Academy (The Admiral David Robinson), and using proper English make somebody an Uncle Tom?

    That’s the kind of attitude that keeps people in the ghetto, down and out, and leads to bad decisions in life.


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