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Raymond Felton Vs. Jeremy Lin; Or, Why Knicks Fans Hate Themselves


Before Jeremy Lin came to Houston, he had a stint in New York. You might have heard about it. For whatever reason, the Knicks felt that Lin wasn’t a good investment, and instead brought back Raymond Felton to be their starting point guard.

While the jury is still out on whether Lin is worth $25 million over three years, it’s safe to say that he’s better than Felton, who is gaining a reputation as the worst point guard in the entire league. We could talk about their statistics (and yes, Lin has a higher PER than Felton), but pictures are worth a thousand words, and GIFs are worth many, many pictures, so here’s a GIF of Felton giving 110 percent in the overtime period against the Kings last night. The Knicks went on to lose the game:

Meanwhile, here’s Jeremy Lin, literally drawing up the play for his teammates in crunch time. The Rockets went on to win the game:

If you’re looking for Knicks fans, they’re likely walking out into this snow storm without a jacket on, hoping the cold will take them away from this dark, desolate world, or that they’ll stumble into the Barclays Center and be born again as Nets fans.

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  • Zhi Alphaeus Cao

    I LOLed real hard on this one!

  • oweowe

    Best gifs in the NBA history.

  • Hanna Park

    Bwahaha!!!

  • FOH

    No self-respecting Knicks fan would ever hope to be a fan of the Nets, who by the way seem to be following a Dolan-esque blueprint.

  • Not a dumb knicks fan

    La La La La La,
    I love it!. Go Lin Go.
    Some Knicks fans are cool, the main problems are the Knicks Owner, Management and, of course, the Coaching staffs. OHHHH, and those Knicks fans and sports writers who want Jeremy Lin out of New York.

  • khyberjones

    I gave up being a Knicks fan when they let Lin go. I just thought it was a fatal mistake for the organization to not develop a promising young talent at a key position. They could’ve brought in Felton as a veteran to help show him the ropes but everyone knows Felton doesn’t have the athleticism to be a starting PG in the NBA. The reason the Knicks are bad is because they don’t have a PG who can hold his own against opposing PGs. I feel bad for Melo, but he sort of brought this situation on himself when he didn’t back the re-signing of Lin. He supported hiring old veteran players and they all broke down physically.

  • Anonymous

    No Lin, No Win.

  • TheGreatWhyte

    what a comparison…

  • FactChecker

    Harden’s face when Lin is the one telling the team what to do lolololololol… such an envious man. Gholly… prolly harden is thinking… “this guy.. I’m the leader here … and I don’t give a darn anyway as this is just regular game…. relax guy ayayay…” rolled his eyes, stood up, and immediately left the huddle.

  • bob

    Harden’s like, “Oh we’re on defense. Count me out guys.”

  • Anonymous

    I believe the whole world has the same feeling except Houston Rockets.

  • Kevin Wong

    I didn’t see it that way at all. Harden looked like he was processing the situation, took a look at the drawing board, and Parsons clarified his position for him as they took the floor.

  • Kevin Wong

    Poor Felton…there’s been a lot of Felton bashing over the last 20 months. Sure he could be in better shape, but he never stated that he was better than Lin or ever slighted him…that’s on the Knicks management.

  • Anonymous

    As long as this can help Rockets to win, I do not think anybody will care about. You can tell Jeremy has a full heart to play the game, he wants Rockets to win.

  • Calvinno

    Keep in mind the mind reason Lin wasn’t signed was because of financial reasons.. and Felton is getting paid a heck of a lot less.

  • Anonymous

    Money will tell the values of these two players. You pay more and you will get more.

  • alex tan

    Knicks should bring back Jeremy..It is the one of the greatest marketing story for the year..and great for NBA globally..Win Win Win…

  • Northerner

    Why is fat Felton yawning? Is he entering a food coma?

  • Northerner

    Focusing on Lin’s marketing value ignores the fact that he’s legitimately good.

  • alex tan

    Agree..JL talent and ability of course should be the main reason..Marketing shd be secondary..but image the excitement of Knicks and global fans..

  • Northerner

    Melo & Dolan running Lin & D’antoni out of New York was one mistake in a very long line of mistakes. The Knicks are living up to their history of franchise dysfunctionality. Right now, the team isn’t winning, nor is it fun to watch.

  • phil

    Agree. Felton is honest and always gave the prop to Lin after the game. He is a classy guy! We should not bash him. It is the Knicks owner.

  • FactChecker

    Lin’s marketing value? Seriously? Yeah he has some values but not as big as Yao Ming. I really don’t get this issue being debated all the time! Here’s some facts to help diminishing this matter:
    1. Yes, Lin has many Asian fans but as in Asian Americans! I don’t know the Asian population in the US tho. He also has many Ivy leaguer fans that also are proud of his achievements.
    2. Lin is a Taiwanese descent which last I check have the population of 23M+ and not over 1 Billions from Mainland of which where Yao Ming came from. Taiwan also one of those conflicting country/state that want to desert from China.
    3. Lin is being used as this Religionist guy by the NBA of which many “underground churches” have been continuously raided by the Chinese government. There will be some support, of course, but not as much as the not in your face kinda guy in Yao Ming.
    4. Yao Ming was the local product of Chinese Basketball League. There is National pride being counted here where not as much will be given to Lin. Chinese fans would not give a darn about the silliness being said about Yao Ming’s eligibility as an All-Star, for they will ignore this foreign language to them (English) and make their superior language take the stand in the voting.
    5. In final word, For now Lin would probably understand how Shaq felt of an American being overlooked by silly controversies like the inclusion of Yao in the past and Kobe in this ASG.

  • Hanna Park

    Stop childish. They get along well each other and Lin is not you, accepting each one’s role for the team.

  • Eric C.

    Felton did said he’s better than Lin, google it. But to be fair, it was a loaded question towards Felton.

  • FactChecker

    Yes, we love winning and thankfully the Rockets are on a 7 game winning streak and 3rd on the conference.

  • Factchecker

    This is not Childish but a fact. Houston Rockets obtained bunch of new players so conflicts will happen. I do hope they get along well as the team are still in the team bonding to know each other’s game, like how well Bev and Lin play together. Just like I wish Dion Waiters and Kyrie Irving work their differences out and help TEAM win! I don’t want to see those games where (the obvious one) Harden ignore Lin (of which I still see from time to time, but also see some improvements in trust), and by the end of the game started yelling at Lin like he is some scrub! I’m no Lin, Duh! I can’t stand his Pacifist mindset, but, I give deep respect for such individuals. Just show your talent Lin, and NBA is yours to leap and bound!

  • Not a dumb knicks fan

    Wrong, Felton DID stated that he is better than Lin.

  • Not a dumb knicks fan

    Here is the link

    http://nypost.com/2012/07/20/knicks-felton-says-hes-better-than-lin/

    Oh, I follow this very closely since day 1.

  • Have Faith

    Thanks Mr. Goldschein! Those hilarious vids made my day!

  • FactChecker

    Jeremy Lin has talent (period) I love seeing his havoc set play on the floor… It’s just college like but FUN! He is still learning diligently and at a fast rate. His salary is not outrageous just structured in some unconventional way. The question I asked is why wouldn’t Dolan do another 25M proposal to lin, but in different structure? Or is that not allowed?

  • Not a dumb knicks fan

    Nope, remember the phrase: Good Horse do not return to the same spot to eat the same grass! Of course, it is the year of the HORSE.

  • Lin-biotic

    I’m really impressed with his genius plan to draw play at crunch time. The play sure does worked on Harden and won them their best game this season

    Mchale should be glad he has that type of player who initiate play on and off the court. By looking at how everyone willed the game and how everyone responded with Lin’s Harvard type strategy, I bet everyone in TD going home with their smiling face after terrible defense on ariza

    What a relief to steal this game badly

  • Anonymous

    Dolan is too much of an arrogant d-bag to bring Lin back, since doing so would be tantamount to admitting that he made a mistake letting Lin walk in the first place.

  • Northerner

    The Taiwanese are ethnically Chinese. They’re the same people. The island of Taiwan is where the losers of the Chinese civil war fled to escape the Communists.

  • chan c

    The kid’s a Leader!

  • JK

    It’s not allowed. The first two years of those three years have to be $5MM and a fixed % pay raise. That’s restricted by the CBA. Teams can raise it as high as they want for the years after so Rockets made the 3rd $15MM.

  • JK

    While Lin is a talented, legit starting PG in the NBA, he also has one of the biggest fan bases among all NBA players.
    Lin’s fan base is made up a mix of Asian Americans, Christians, Ivy Leaguers and underdog-lovers in the US. Asian Americans make up one of the most loyal fanbase of Lin’s. There are over 18 million Asian Americans in the US. As a group, Asian Americans are the most educated and have the highest income level among all racial groups in the US. Haven’t you seen all the Lin fans in arenas all over NBA where the Rockets play?
    However, most marketers have been featuring Lin in Asia. Being the ONLY Asian face in the NBA has its catche. Just look at footage of Lin in Asia. Lin may not have as large a fan base as Yao in China, but he has plenty fans in China. Volvo, Gatorade, KFC, Addidas feature him mostly for Chinese market. I’m sure these companies did market survey before signing him.

  • alex tan

    NO idea what Dolan is like..not business people will pass an opportunity to make S$mil..MSG/Knicks value will increase significantly and Knikcs could be the most valuable team next year..imaging the attractiveness to a businessman..y..JL is in NY now???

  • alex tan

    I am Asian and not a NBA fan until JL. I never heard of Knicks until JL story broke. Yes his Asian heritage played a significant part. But the main reason I become a fan of JL and NBA is HIS story of couch to Knicks star. He talent and personality as well as religion contributed as well. I guess there are many as in millions around the world, I guess who became fan for the same reason.I will follow JL whichever team signs him (not the team, not event Lebron’s team).So smart of Addidas to sign him. (I just bought a pair of Addidas as I have better emotional impression of the company)..so..from so far away.. I see the market value of JL..

  • Anonymous

    If Dolan were a shrewd businessman, he would have never let Lin walk in the first place. Dolan is a trust fund baby, playing with his old man’s money, but with none of his acumen. What Dolan has in spades, however, is ego.

  • Bill Mcintyre

    What would you expect him to say? He hates Lin? lol just a PR thing

  • Christian YU

    That is why people love Jeremy~~~

  • http://breatherepeat.com/ Ariel Levy

    Buyout Dolan

  • FactChecker

    Let me tell you this then… Before Yao and now Lin…. there are a couple of Chinese basketball player that played in the NBA. On top of my head, they are Mingke Bateer, and Yi JianLian. If whatever consumes Lin was his heritage or him being Asian, then why didn’t those two players received the same glaring raves reviews as Lin? To me, Lin really has this amazing story of being dwarfed in confidence by his peers, yet, he keep on showing (tho can be frustrating to watch to keep on proving his worth), that Lin has the talent to be in the NBA given the chance and time to learn. All of the other stuff are garbage to kinda tell that Lin is where he is at due to his background and not what he can do on the floor.

  • FactChecker

    JustKind :) of you to inform me about the new CBA.

  • ForTheLin

    Saying someone is Taiwanese and not Chinese is like saying someone is Texan and not American. One is a geopolitical term, while the other is an ethnicity and nationality. Lin is very popular in China, as well as in Taiwan and in the United States. Many of his fans are not Asian, but middle class whites, women, and children who identify more with his clean-cut Harvard image, and less with the thug, hip-hop culture pervasive of the NBA. Lin himself defines himself far more as a Christian than as a Chinese-American or even as an NBA player.

  • Tim Yeung

    Yeah, why feel bad for Melo when it was he and Knicks management who got rid of Lin and D’antoni? Melo didn’t want to share the spotlight with another player, so the Knicks never offered Lin a contract to return when he became a restricted free agent. Now the Knicks need a good PG and a good scorer. Melo has no one to blame but himself and his own selfishness.

  • Jonathan Jones

    This myth of Lin drawing up the game winning play needs to calm down. That was after the game winning play. With .7 seconds. They were just discussing defense on the inbound. But yes. Lin is better than Felton and is going to keep getting better, barring injury.

  • Lin

    lol you still believe the reason knicks didnt sign lin was because of money ? haha didnt know people like you still existed….

  • Lin

    fatty felton is over estimating himself….

  • Lin

    the words : dolan, shrewd and businessman dont go together in a sentence….

  • Lin

    lin was probably drawing up defensive play..keep in mind that lin has more basketball iq than both mchale+sampson put together…

  • Whitman Lam

    Every other Rocket just stood there and watched Coach McHale and his blank board, nodding their heads while not paying attention. Jeremy and Patrick Beverley actually spoke up to say something.

  • Kwan Teck Leong

    Wake up bro… Don’t comment like you understand Chinese. As long as he is of Chinese descent, he is considered family, the descendant of Dragon. He is really big in china. It is not about country, it’s all about roots…..

  • Have Faith

    True, after Harden’s 2′ driving layup, we were up: Rox 113 vs Wiz 112.

    Just as crucial as that basket, was the defensive play Lin wrote on the board and the coach and guys discussed. That play prevented Seraphin from completing a 21′ turnaround jump shot in the last few seconds of the game.

    If Seraphin had made that 2-pointer, the final score would have been Rox 113 vs Wiz 114, and we would have lost by 1-point! Instead we won! Wheeeee!

  • Anonymous

    that was jeremy drawing up the game winning play against the Wizards, which consisted of a Lin fake towards the inbounds pass and then creating interference for Harden to receive the inbounds and have a screen to get to the basket. Harden got to the basket for the game winning layup with 0.7 seconds remaining. so yeah, Harden was paying attention.

  • Will

    I doubt he was drawing up a defensive play. Its more like him trying to explain on paper what was said by mouth. Making sure they got it visualized. But, its clear that one point guard is interested in winning while the other one don’t care at all.

  • Will

    I doubt he was drawing up a defensive play. Its more like him trying to explain on paper what was said by mouth. Making sure they got it visualized. But, its clear that one point guard is interested in winning while the other one don’t care at all.

  • Will

    Wat Misaka and You forgot Sun Yue! First asian player to win a NBA Championship! lol

  • Claire Young

    This selfishness is from his immaturity.

  • JK

    One thing to add: Talent and marketing value go together. If Lin’s breakout wasn’t as historical and his story wasn’t as unprecedented, he wouldn’t have the name recognition in Asia or else where. There have been a couple other Asian players, none had as big a fan base or name recognition as Lin does. Talent, ability and star-turns/break through must come first. Then his story, ethnicity and personality won people over. You can’t have market value by ethnicity alone while sitting on the bench.

  • JK

    One thing to add: Talent and marketing value go together. If Lin’s breakout wasn’t as historical and his story wasn’t as unprecedented, he wouldn’t have the name recognition in Asia or else where. There have been a couple other Asian players, none had as big a fan base or name recognition as Lin does. Talent, ability and star-turns/break through must come first. Then his story, ethnicity and personality won people over. You can’t have market value by ethnicity alone while sitting on the bench.

  • JK

    If the Knicks wanted to win, they should sign the better player no matter the money. They had Lin’s Bird Right. They could have matched Houston’s offer. But they went with the inferior player to save a few bucks. What did that move get them?

  • Adam

    No Lin, No win! Please bring Lin back to NYC!!!

  • Mr.Borisuri

    Here in US, he is more than Chinese-Taiwanese. He is an Asian.

  • FactChecker

    Let’s be FAIR (Thinking twice and really hard before typing it LOL) to Dolan tho…. Yes Knicks owner did plenty of turnovers in the past, but I can’t put huge blame for him to skip Lin, especially with $15M down the line. There are many Asian players that has played in the NBA, and many are sooo injury prone! (Just like Lin in his 2 Playoff season) People would say, yeah well, Amare is an injury prone and somehow Dolan signed him up for 50M w/o insurance!(LOL) In my argument, Amare did so well with the Suns for many season, so he’s one of those bad luck. On the other hand, I do believe that if Knicks don’t have Amare, Lin would’ve still be with the Knicks. I’m watching Lin to see if he can last longer than Yao Ming. If he can stand that test, more teams will take interest in him, once his contract ends with the Rockets.

  • FactChecker

    you may consider every Chinese players a family, but I would still call your statement a balderdash! Chinese people only “root” for Champs or those that are really good!

  • FactChecker

    Of course, that’s why Kobe’s big over there, then comes Lebron bron (Talent and that story of Hate of him for moving team)… Last time I checked, they are not Asian! Whaaaaaaaaaa…..t!

  • FactChecker

    There are couple of people that disagree with your bold statement… lol. who’s right then? Lin did this before Houston took the lead 114-113 or After!?! GIFs can speak thousand of ideas! :

  • Kevin Wong

    I’m still not convinced. Technically, you’re right…he did say he thinks he’s better, but in the same breath he also said he thinks he’s better than any other PG. Clearly he doesn’t think he is better than every PG, but he has to say that or else he’ll appear intimidated, pessimistic, show an inferiority complex, or seem non-competitive. Mind you he came in overweight and out of shape (still is), so he’s got to protect himself from the media and management. We’ll never know if he really thinks he’s better than Lin. I will say that he’s probably a better street baller than Lin. Lin is more of a fundamental organized team ball guy.

  • SayWhat

    Jeremy Lin just isn’t a born and raised Chinese National, unlike past NBA players Yao Ming, Yi Jianlian, Sun Yue, Wang ZhiZhi, Menge Bateer (ethnic Mongol). That’s a huge difference but that doesn’t mean people need to try to erase his heritage.

    But he does in fact have Chinese heritage, not just Taiwan. He is ABC (American Born Chinese) and many ethnic Chinese from around the world (Singapore, Malaysia, Indoesnia, Philippines, Canada, Australia, etc) also identify with him for that very reason. It’s being highly disingenuous to deny his Chinese roots.This isn’t politics.

    He has repeated this many times and openly talked about his Chinese background. People who continue to deny this are causing more harm than making any good. Jeremy also has several endorsements from American brands that markets him in MAINLAND China.

    For the millionth time, this is straight from JEREMY Lin’s mouth:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKslZGjGam0

  • SayWhat

    Mengke Bateer “won” a championship before Sun Yue.

  • FactChecker

    Huh? Who’s trying to erase Lin’s heritage? and Nobody said Lin hates his own heritage? But, we all know that he wants fair judgement. I don’t know how would you get to that conclusion. I’m just saying like you said… ABC… which means he’s an American first. He was popular right here in America, before his spectacular breakthrough hit Asia. On the other hand, Sun Yue, Yao Ming, and Yi JianLian are already big in CBA that many Chinese fans already familiar with those names. In that case, anyone to say well yeah those players (bar Lin) are so popular over there (China) that’s why yada yada made Allstar (tho bit racy) made sense. With Lin is like how every Black people in the USA were being asked about Mandela, even though not all came from South Africa. None would talk bad, because Mandela was a difference maker and appreciated what he did no matter what nationalities they really were.

  • SayWhat

    You contradict your 2nd point

    “2. Lin is a Taiwanese descent which last I check have the population of 23M+ and not over 1 Billions from Mainland of which where Yao Ming came from. Taiwan also one of those conflicting country/state that want to desert from China”

    The correct statement would be Lin is of both Taiwanese and Chinese descent, but AMERICAN by Nationality. He’s not a born and raised Taiwanese national. That is someone like Jet Chang, not Jeremy Lin. It’s usually the politically correct crowd who insist that Jeremy Lin is “Taiwanese not Chinese” which is not accurate, since he has both. I sense that you’re highly defensive with the “Taiwanese” statements.

    I’m not even arguing about the All-star votes, you’re talking to the wrong person. Most of those people don’t even know the difference, and just say it’s because he’s “Asian”.

  • FactChecker

    rofl… Are you really believe in what Felton was saying? Oh my lord… First of all although some reporters can be silly, but thankfully they are not oblivious ignoramus rofl. Felton probably would not say anything; shook his head in disbelief; or even say are you stupid? to any reporter that dare to say ” Are you better than Chris Paul?”

  • SayWhat

    Asian-American, and he tries to raise awareness about the treatment and view on Asian-Americans in sports.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbSmxyIMlt0

  • SayWhat

    People tend to overgeneralize the use of the word “Asia”.

    Jeremy Lin has mostly being featured in ethnic Chinese areas. His summer “Asia” tours consisted mostly of mainland China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong. That isn’t a fair representation of “Asia”. He didn’t even go to Japan, South Korea, India, etc.

  • SayWhat

    Very true but he still recognizes the importance of being an Asian-American, hence he has raised awareness and believes that he would have been treated better in his recruitment had he been African-American.

  • FactChecker

    aha! So the wrong part that I made was that I took step too far ahead as Taiwan is yet taken independence from China, just like Mongolia. On the other hand by saying that he’s Taiwanese like his parents or he himself preferred to say, by the way, is erasing his heritage (as a Chinese)? C’Mon son. There is no such thing as Taiwanese and Chinese descent “as the correct statement” then… the only thing is true is that he’s Chinese descent (or whatever powerful country shall it be) just like those Russians that looked Asian. The only thing I’m defensive about is how can anyone just easily said oh so and so only got in cuz they got the numbers. I only care about talent.

  • SayWhat

    Preferred to say? Jeremy Lin has straight out said, “I’m Proud to be Chinese”. C’mon son.

    Again, you continue to interject politics without admitting the entire story. I’m saying what’s the point of arguing that he’s Taiwanese, when he himself in fact says that he’s both backgrounds. If Jeremy Lin was part of the green party and telling people it’s offensive to refer to him as “Chinese”, then absolutely that would be relevant. But he doesn’t.

    Did I ever say “oh so and only got those those numbers because of his background”. No I didn’t.

  • FactChecker

    Also that youtube proven nothing.. just one of those STUPID question to be asked about! Like how they asked Felton in regard to PG position… DUH! Lin is there to play Basketball and not to be a Political totempole, so that question was very stupid. I love the fact that he got so many questions like that during his school time that he got the chance to give the right answer that his identity is in Christ… and you know what… Amen brotha!

  • SayWhat

    It proves nothing….right….when you’re here arguing and trying to erase his heritage and telling people “He’s Taiwanese”…yet he flat out admits his Chinese background. C’mon son.

    And guess what hes’ also said? He thinks if he was African-American he would have been treated differently. His race and ethnic background have played important parts to his story.

    Amen to that brotha!

  • FactChecker

    Lol LIN SAID this verbatim and sounded awkward to me starting from 0:37 “I’m really proud to be in Chinese (what? And he’s a Harvard grad) I’m really proud of my parents from Taiwan! (so I was right that Lin’s family preferred Taiwan than China) so I just thank God.” Oh heck yeah he’s marketed just like in any marketing it’s all 50/50 chance, for every chance they’ve seen that can bring success they will market you just like Michael Vick. That’s marketing, and it can be epic fail or epic success, and in case of Lin, it’s Successful. I didn’t say you did, did I? Again your own presumption, I was referring to medias that keep on saying that. C’mon son.

  • SayWhat

    Again, trying to fit your narrative. You should really do some more research. I SAID YOU’RE BEING DISINGENUOUS…do you know what means? C’mon son.

    Parents from Taiwan…wow, so someone’s heritage stops at their parents? LMAO.

  • SayWhat

    Oh look here he is again, no problem celebrating the “Chinese New Year”…but but he’s only TAIWANESE according to you! lol

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdIIDQkP55g

    C’mon son!

  • FactChecker

    Oh I clearly know what that word means. No point of discussing things when you re-edit your statements. I will lose to that all the time as I don’t have an account. You never said DISINGENUOUS in any of your previous statements until above, so I don’t know when you got that in before? Anyways.. I end it with this. I like Lin so much that I don’t want to bring bad stuff about Lin regarding this, as Lin already got plenty of burdens to carry. I’m proud of you Lin for what you’ve done so far and keep on doing it, for any other way around that would be “disingenuous” of me to call myself as Lin’s fan.

  • SayWhat

    Ironic for someone with the name Factchecker that claims I never said DISIGENEOUS. Check again at my first response….

    “But he does in fact have Chinese heritage, not just Taiwan. He is ABC (American Born Chinese) and many ethnic Chinese from around the world (Singapore, Malaysia, Indoesnia, Philippines, Canada, Australia, etc) also identify with him for that very reason. It’s being highly disingenuous to deny his Chinese roots.This isn’t politics. “

  • FactChecker

    Oh look here’s some Brazilians celebrating the “Chinese New Year” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibCqhxKQ_Hs What’s your point? Only racists have problem celebrating “Chinese New Year”.

  • FactChecker

    DISIGENEOUS and DISINGENUOUS are two different words and one doesn’t even made sense at all ;) I have never denied his Asian roots.

  • Factchecker

    Huh? Did you forget Philippines… which only happen this NBA preseason? I know that Philippines is in US territory, but last time I checked, that Island is in Asia.

  • Anonymous

    They just did ;)

  • Eric Sim

    I am so pleased to see Patrick joining in to encourage his teammates to win – such unselfish group of individuals. That’s the type of team spirit I want to see in any organization!

  • HVGrace

    P.please check the fact/record before you make your erroneous statement without factual basis.

    You said “there are many Asian players played in the NBA”. Really? Can you name 5 besides Yao Ming, Jeremy Lin and Jian-Lian Yi?

  • ofsfan

    You do know that the Philippines has been an independent nation since 1947, right? They were a U.S. territory, but that’s over. JL is also popular there.

  • FactChecker

    OK… 1. Wang ZhiZhi, Mengke Bateer, Yi JianLian, Yao Ming, Jeremy Lin, Yuta Tabuse, Wataru Misaka, Ha Seung-Jin, Sun Yue (These players are the Asian looking ones). There are also mix heritage players such as Rex Walker, Raymond Townsend. Lastly the technically “Asian” as they came from Continent Asia ” Andrei Kirilenko, Andre Bogut, Kyrie Irving, Hamed Haddadi, Arsalan Kazemi, there are many more in this long list (You can easily google or bing or whatever search engine that your country is using). Thank you and have a good day!

  • ofsfan

    I don’t know if all that is true, but I don’t believe that Yao is playing in the NBA now. JL’s career is only starting. Asians world wide are cheering for him (& buying JL gear & shoes). But even non-Asians are going to arenas to see him play. I remember the video where JL hits the last seconds 3-pointer to win the game against the Raptors & the Raptors’ fans go crazy. I’ve never seen that before.

  • FactChecker

    Is that question for me? Yeah I know.

  • tkrieger

    Knicks fans want Lin back…. Rockets fans want Lin gone……

  • FactChecker

    Those are not by any means as a factual basis (I hope that’s obvious), but you can do your due diligent. Yeah, Yao now currently own a CBA team, Shanghai Shark, his hometown team/old club. He was plagued by injury sadly, but was good during his tenure as an NBA player. Yeah, Lin is a talented dude, I just don’t want anyone to make Lin and fans make it sound so Xenophobe by using Lin got where he at (SI covers etc.) Like how they onced said when Shaq’s left out for Yao Ming. That’s demeaning to Lin, because like Lebron or Kobe, his fans are anyone that loves the game of Basketball.

  • Kwan Teck Leong

    You missed my statement context… If you don’t understand the meaning of roots go check dictionary.

  • Have Faith

    Really? Rocket fans want Lin gone? There looked like a lot of Rocket fans at their home arena who were standing and cheering Lin on to get his triple double when the team played the Cavs.

    Or are you referring to some of the crappy comments on some of the Rocket fan sites?

  • Allen

    Totally wrong analogy. Not doubt about it that Chinese means citizen of people of republic of China, that is simple and common sense. Taiwanese are just Taiwanese, Some of Taiwanese came form China because of civil wars in China, but that is only 15% of population in Taiwan. Taiwan is a different country, admit or not by other countries in the world. It is true what it is now. Taiwan has its own army, people, land. If I say you’re not human, does that mean you’re not?

  • Not a dumb knicks fan

    It was you who stated that he never said he is better than Jeremy Lin, But the fact and on record, he did, but did he meant it? Who knows, The fact is the fact, Would he dare to say that he is better than Chris Paul? I doubt that, because he would get in so much trouble with the media and the fan and clearly, he isn’t better than Chris Paul.

    Therefore, yes, he had the intention to slight Jeremy.

  • Not a dumb knicks fan

    For Felton, he could have provided a better answer, e.g.
    Jeremy and I are different player, we play different style of BB and we have different strengths, For this Knicks team, I am a better match!,

    Clearly, he had full intention to put Jeremy down at the time, smart Knicks fan can see through him.
    Go Knicks Go.

  • Not a dumb knicks fan

    Lin is a classy guy, Natural Born True Leader, Look how he gets people involved, Many many people who played with him including some old Knicks players found him admirable and a superb teamplayer. (except Melo who ran him out because of selfish reasons).

    He is full of energy, whether win or lose, he always give his best. Moreover, he is very humble and never put any players down and never put himself above anyone else.
    Great Role Model.

    Good for basketball and good for people. Great example of Good Leader.

  • FactChecker

    Rockets fans want him/adore him/love him just don’t really care about him as they see Rockets as a Team not individual game. On the other hand, Lin fans missed his explosiveness (or on a short leash under McHale or Woodson) back in his Linsanity heyday, and saw him more on the bench as a 6th man. To me, Rockets just care for Lin’s body as not to injure him when important games are happening aka Playoff time. To me, It’s all in Lin’s hands to show his skill like what he’s doing in the past few games. Fans can only quarrel to no ends and bit silly to watch, but it’s all on Lin.

  • Have Faith

    Technically, Andrew Bogut was born in Australia, which is a continent, and his parents are from Croatia, which is on the European continent. So, he’s not Asian.

    Kyrie Irving was born in Melbourne Australia, too, and his parents are Black. So, he’s not Asian.

    I suppose you could say Andre Kirilenko, who was born in Russia of Russian parents, is Asian because Russia is on the continent of Asia, but that’s a stretch.

    Ex: Canada is on the North American continent, but Canadians wouldn’t consider themselves Americans.

    Same with Hamed Haddadi and Arsaian Kazemi Naeini who are both Iranian and born of Iranian parents. Even tho’ Iran is on the continent of Asia, I doubt they consider themselves Asian.

    Of the names you provided, Lin is the first American-born player with Chinese/Taiwanese heritage in the NBA and is the only Asian/American player in the NBA currently.

  • ForTheLin

    I’m afraid conventional history and your own country disagrees with you, if you are a U.S. citizen. Taiwan has been under Chinese rule for four centuries, save 50 by the Japanese. Aside from the Vatican, only a few islands and a few banana republics recognize Taiwan. And, your human thing is well just bizarre. Aren’t we talking about Jeremy Lin here?

  • FactChecker

    I knew you would say that :/ . I feel sorry for your view tho in regard to your Asian looking archetype (whether u like it or not). I guess that’s how some folks in the South would describe people of color as non American, even though they’re born and fought for Freedom in America. Here I thought my curveball to you was actually Kirilenko, of which surprisingly you’ve agreed upon. Why? Australia decided that they rather ditched Oceania group and joined Asia in many of their sporting competitions. On the other hand, Russia rather compete in Euro, maybe they have that same superiority complex as what you have. Lastly, your example makes no sense in trying to prove a point. It’s like making Iranians are from Iraq! But hey, I will end this debate with you as you are deviating from the main article now. FYI, there is no such thing as North American Continent. Good luck in life!

  • Have Faith

    Yes, this is off the main topic. The only reason I replied is because you stated some information which is basically untrue.

    What I wrote explains why some of what you stated is not true, and I did so without judging or making assumptions about your character as you have about mine.

    Attack as you wish, but it doesn’t change the facts. Also, like it or not, there are 7 continents and North America is one of them.

  • mike

    taiwan is an independent country. you can be chinese by ethnicity like many taiwanese are, but also be a separate nationality. taiwanese is a nationality. fact.

  • mike

    taiwan is an independent country. you can be chinese by ethnicity like many taiwanese are, but also be a separate nationality. taiwanese is a nationality. fact.

  • mike

    taiwan is an independent country. you can be chinese by ethnicity like many taiwanese are, but also be a separate nationality. taiwan is a sovereign nation and taiwanese is a nationality. fact.

  • ForTheLin

    I am no historian, but common sense would dictate that Taiwan is not sovereign when your own country, all of Europe, all of Asia, most of Africa, and the United Nations do not recognize its sovereignity. St. Kitts, Panama, and the Marshall Islands do not constitute Taiwan sovereignity. Refuting Allen’s logic below, saying you are a moth when your friends and family recognize you as a human does not make you a moth. However, back to Jeremy Lin. He claims he is Chinese-American, his parents are from Taiwan, and his grandparents are from China.

  • mike

    listen, you brainwashed commie, in NO WAY is taiwan ruled by the chinese govt. taiwan has been self-ruling for 60 years now. the taiwanese people directly elect their own president unlike the chinese who are assigned their own leaders by the red commies. and jeremy lin has said he’s taiwanese-american and he travels to taiwan annually. he has no relatives in china and rarely goes to china. all of his overseas relatives are in taiwan. his own grandmother says he’s taiwanese. so STFU.

  • didyouwatchthegame

    It was definitely AFTER Harden scored with 0.7 sec. left during the Wizards time out

  • ForTheLin

    Brainwashed? Really? (stepping back and inching out of the room). Lesson: Never argue with a pig–it wastes your time and it enrages the pig.


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